Archive Woes

rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

I am frustrated and confused. I've been trying to make this feature work for about 10 days now so help me out.

I have 2 different Profiles. DailyProjects and DailyBackup. Daily Projects has a single source of C:\Projects. The purpose is just to QUICKLY backup my changing work files during the day. DailyBackup also has only a single source of C:\. It's purpose is to back everything up once a day and it takes 30-90 minutes depending on the amount to backup.

For my Projects I want to keep up to 20 Archive copies of the files. If all I did was run DailyProjects, this part is working. I can see it's archiving multiples.

For DailyBackup, I only want a MAX of 2 Archives per file EXCEPT for the Projects folder. I cannot seem to get DailyBackup to ignore the Projects folder (which has many subfolders BTW). Everytime DailyBackup runs it deletes all but 2 archives.

It seems the method to do what I want is to use the Archive Filter in the Archiving tab. I have tried putting in Exclude C:\Projects and Exclude C:\Projects\*.* but neither works. Is this what I want? Do I have to specify each and every folder to ignore? That would be painful and impossible as new ones are created all the time and we're talking hundreds of folders.

The only other way I can think to make this work is to create multiple Source/Targets for DailyBackup, leaving out C:\Porjects? That's ugly too. Everytime I create a new root folder, I would have to remember to come back and put in a new Source.

TGRMN Software · Site Admin Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 8759

Hello,

You could exclude completely the c:\projects\ folder from DailyBackup using a subfolder filter c:\projects\*\

If you only want to not archive c:\projects\ files when running DailyBackup , let me know, I'll check if that is possible using the archive file filters.

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rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

Your solution seems a little better than I was expecting. If I don't backup the folder in the Profile, then it won't mess up the Archiving.

Given a choice, I WOULD like to backup C:\Projects in my Master Profile so it doesn't get missed, I just need it to have different Archive rules than all my other folders. It seemed like the Archive Filters was that method.

For now I'll try and exclude it from the DailyBackup profile and see that at least that works. Thanks.

TGRMN Software · Site Admin Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 8759

Hello

I did some more testing and found that the archive filters filter which new files are move to the archive folders, but do not stop ViceVersa from re-checking the archive folders and remove old copies as needed. So when you run DailyBackup it will remove the archive copies of DailyProjects if it founds too manyaccording to the DailyBackup profile settings.

Solutions could be:
a) Not to backup c:\projects\ folder when running DailyBackup, as discussed.
b) Use a completely different archive folder when running DailyProjects to avoid any conflict with DailyBackup.

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rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

Option B sounds interesting. I didn't think about that. Thanks.

The help need a bit of work as I'm sure you know. For example, in the Archive Viewer you can look at Source or Target. Clicking on the Source link though gives you an error about having to set it via the Profile. The help says nothing about what this means and I'm clueless as to what it's supposed to do. Just one example of many.

rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

Option B didn't work and it's disturbing because it means a Profile is touching stuff it shouldn't.

DailyProjects ran and you can see that I now have 3 archives in J:\Projects (where DailyProject archives to) and 2 in J:\Archives (where DailyBackup archives to)

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DailyBackup has now run and you'll see the not only did it archive to it's proper location, but it also deleted Archives from a folder it shouldn't touch at all!!!

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Daily Projects Archive Profile
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Daily Backup Archive Profile
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TGRMN Software · Site Admin Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 8759

Hello

Can you post the 2 profile fsf files you are suing ? (They are text files).
Would like to double check the settings.

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rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

DailyProjects Profile
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; *******
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; *******
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[ViceVersa Profile - File Version 4.0.0]

DailyBackup Profile
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; ******* Target
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Lock Target=0
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; *******
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; *******
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; *******
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DES=0
; *******
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; *******
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; *******
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Exclude Hidden Subfolders=0
; ******* values for Exclude System Subfolders: (0=No) (1=Yes)
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[ViceVersa Profile - File Version 4.0.0]

TGRMN Software · Site Admin Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 8759

Hello

To make sure that the two profiles do not conflict at all I would change DailyBackup Profile to have as target J:\Backup\C\ and as Target Archive Folder J:\Archives\C\

DailyProjects Profile uses J:\Backup\Projects\ and J:\Archives\Projects\ so the 2 profiles do not interphere at all.

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rkligman · Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 8

Your response is confusing.

>> DailyProjects Profile uses J:\Backup\Projects\ and J:\Archives\Projects\ so the 2 profiles do not interphere at all.

1. Are you saying that in the scenario I am using the software is correctly altering both sets of Archives? Yes, the two do not seem to conflict but yet you can see that when running DailyBackup, it DID remove files from the DailyProjects Archive also.

>> To make sure that the two profiles do not conflict at all I would change DailyBackup Profile to have as target J:\Backup\C\ and as Target Archive Folder J:\Archives\C\

2. This is kind of what I did and it worked. Thinking that for some strange reason that if your Archive is embedded in another Profiles Archive with a similar structure, I set DailyProjects to Archive to J:\Projects_Archive. Now both Profiles run and don't touch each other.

Which brings me back to 1. By design or by bug, two archive folders were effected by a single Profile. At this point I'm not sure you agree with this or not. When you find out that this is true, then I don't think either situation is a good one (design or bug). It means I can't have a single Root folder holding Archives because the Profiles will step all over each other.

Thanks for the prompt attention.

TGRMN Software · Site Admin Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 8759

Hi,

The problem was that one archive folder was a subfolder of the other: J:\Archives\projects\ subfolder of J:\Archives\
When ViceVersa PRO checks the archive folder for a profile it does process all subfolders too, and hence the conflict you were seeing.

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